This news item was emailed to me this morning. I won't comment until I learn more about the content of Gary Krupp's presentation. However, there are a number of concerns I have with the announcement. Just what does "The illumination of Gary Krupp's perspective" mean? Is the National Press Club unaware of the historians involved in the study of Pius XII? Do they know nothing of the published material that has been available for years?
The final worrying thought comes from the line: "will speak about the Vatican, the Holocaust, and whether Pope Pius Xll was Hitler's Pope or actually a Jewish savior". Having read more than a few of Pave The Way's claims, I am worried about what the presentation will deliver to a lay audience.
The Vatican and the Holocaust
WASHINGTON, Jan. 11, 2010 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/
The National Press Club Events Committee will present the second program of its series on the role of religion in the press on Wednesday, Jan. 12 at 7 p.m.
Gary Krupp, founder of the Pave the Way Foundation, also known to the world as one of the only Jews to be Knighted by two Popes for his work in improving nonsectarian relations between the faiths, will speak about the Vatican, the Holocaust, and whether Pope Pius Xll was Hitler's Pope or actually a Jewish savior.
The illumination of Krupp's perspective will help reporters in their own coverage of the Vatican and stories regarding the Papacy. Krupp will help reporters understand the background of the topic in order to help them expand current coverage.
The program will run from 7 p.m. to 9 p.m. on Wednesday January 12 in the conference rooms at the National Press Club.
Please RSVP by January 11 at reservations@press.org. Reservations can also be made at www.press.org.
The event is free for NPC members. Non-members must pay $5 in advance or $10 at the door.
The National Press Club is located at 14th and F Streets, NW, one block west of Metro Center. For more information about the Club and its programs go to press.org.
ABOUT THE NATIONAL PRESS CLUB
The National Press Club is the world's leading professional organization for journalists. Founded in 1908, the Club has 3,500 members representing most major news organizations. Each year, the Club holds more than 2,000 events including news conferences, luncheons and panels, and more than 250,000 guests come through its doors.
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Wednesday, January 12, 2011
Tuesday, September 7, 2010
Responding to Gary Krupp
After yesterday's post I received an email from Gary Krupp, founder of Pave The Way, on organisation with an impressive record of philanthropic work designed to build bridges between, among others, different faith communities. PTW has invested much time and effort in collecting an enormous amount of data on Eugenio Pacelli. I have corresponded with Gary over the last couple of years and while I respect his desire to build bridges over Pius XII, I do not agree with the conclusions PTW have reached and published.
After reading Gary's email, which is published below in the previous post, I thought that his challenges deserved a more serious response.
My comments appear in red type.
Paul, Let me make this simple for you. Here are just a few of the actual documents, which support Michael Hesemann's claim:
http://www.ptwf.org/Downloads/Jan_39%20_Docs.pdf
The documents presented consist of -
1. A dispatch list, dated 30 November 1938, indicating, in Italian, to whom a message was to be sent. In this case it is the list of Nuncios and Apostolic Delegates asking their assistance in helping persecuted converted Jews from Italy and Germany. (It is reproduced in Actes et Documents Volume 6, pages 49-50) It was sent under Pacelli's signature.
2. Document 9 January 1939. Latin letter requesting in the name of the Pope, Pius XI, the formation of assistance committees for non-Aryan converts. (ADSS 6, pages 48-49)
3. A dispatch list, dated 9 January 1939, indicating, in Italian, to whom the previous appeal was to be sent.
4. Letter 16 January 1939, in English, from the Archbishop of Saint Andrews and Edinburgh, Scotland, Andrew Thomas McDonald OSB (1871-1950) acknowledging receipt of Pacelli's letter. McDonald informed Pacelli that a committee to assist the "stricken sufferers" has been operating for several weeks. McDonald said he would try to encourage a national response.
5. Cutting from The Irish Press, 10 December 1938. Report on the London meeting to address the worsening situation in Germany attended by the Archbishop of Westminster, Cardinal Arthur Hinsley. Cardinal Pacelli's message from the Pope was mentioned. (Referred to in ADSS 6, page 539)
Do you claim that these documents are doctored or fraudulent or that they do not say what they say?
The documents are not doctored or fraudulent. However what they say is markedly different from what Michael Hesemann has alleged they say. See my comments in an earlier post.
http://paulonpius.blogspot.com/2010/07/pius-xii-saved-200000-jews-after-1938.html
Hesemann's claim that Pacelli may have been responsible trying to get 200,000 Jews, converted or not, out of Germany is simply not supported by these documents.
Paul, Do you believe that there were 200,000 converted Jews in Germany November 30, 1938 just after Kristallnacht?
No I do not. The Jewish population in the Old Reich was around 202,000. The statistics were collected by the Nazis. They had no reason to lie. It was official policy to get as many Jews out of Germany as physically possible.
If so, what documented evidence do you have which, can prove your theory?
Again, I have written on this subject. In summary, there were not 200,000 converted Jews in the Greater German Reich at the end of November 1938. The total Jewish population, based on Nazi statistics in the 1939 census, came to 259,000. It is beyond the realms of any realistic assertion to suggest that 200,000 of these Jews were converts. Read my post.
http://paulonpius.blogspot.com/2010/07/population-figures-on-non-aryan.htmlBy the way, anyone who accesses our website will only see actual documents and eyewitness testimonies. They are free to draw their own conclusions. The mainstream historians books you believe this person should read, seemingly to be from those who only condemn Pope Pius XII.
"Condemn" is far too harsh a word and unfair. Mainstream historians do what Michael Hesemann does not. They examine the evidence and attempt to reconstruct the historical record without a predetermined agenda. The crusade to canonise Pius XII is sinking rather badly when claims such as those promoted by Hesemann are published as historical fact.
Let me recommend Prof. Ron Rychlak’s recently updated book Hitler the War and The Pope.
I read the earlier edition and was unconvinced by his arguments. Any endeavour that begins with a presumption or conclusion runs the risk of prejudicing any line of argument from the outset. Reproducing copious amount of newspaper reports and published documentation with no serious contextual work is not satisfying.
Gary, I admire your commitment to seeking resolution for many of the world's trouble spots, but I ask, yet again, to allow historians to get on with what they do. Having read Michael Hesemann's "claims" I believe he is doing your organisation damage and eroding your credibility.
Regards,
Paul
After reading Gary's email, which is published below in the previous post, I thought that his challenges deserved a more serious response.
My comments appear in red type.
Paul, Let me make this simple for you. Here are just a few of the actual documents, which support Michael Hesemann's claim:
http://www.ptwf.org/Downloads/Jan_39%20_Docs.pdf
The documents presented consist of -
1. A dispatch list, dated 30 November 1938, indicating, in Italian, to whom a message was to be sent. In this case it is the list of Nuncios and Apostolic Delegates asking their assistance in helping persecuted converted Jews from Italy and Germany. (It is reproduced in Actes et Documents Volume 6, pages 49-50) It was sent under Pacelli's signature.
2. Document 9 January 1939. Latin letter requesting in the name of the Pope, Pius XI, the formation of assistance committees for non-Aryan converts. (ADSS 6, pages 48-49)
3. A dispatch list, dated 9 January 1939, indicating, in Italian, to whom the previous appeal was to be sent.
4. Letter 16 January 1939, in English, from the Archbishop of Saint Andrews and Edinburgh, Scotland, Andrew Thomas McDonald OSB (1871-1950) acknowledging receipt of Pacelli's letter. McDonald informed Pacelli that a committee to assist the "stricken sufferers" has been operating for several weeks. McDonald said he would try to encourage a national response.
5. Cutting from The Irish Press, 10 December 1938. Report on the London meeting to address the worsening situation in Germany attended by the Archbishop of Westminster, Cardinal Arthur Hinsley. Cardinal Pacelli's message from the Pope was mentioned. (Referred to in ADSS 6, page 539)
Do you claim that these documents are doctored or fraudulent or that they do not say what they say?
The documents are not doctored or fraudulent. However what they say is markedly different from what Michael Hesemann has alleged they say. See my comments in an earlier post.
http://paulonpius.blogspot.com/2010/07/pius-xii-saved-200000-jews-after-1938.html
Hesemann's claim that Pacelli may have been responsible trying to get 200,000 Jews, converted or not, out of Germany is simply not supported by these documents.
Paul, Do you believe that there were 200,000 converted Jews in Germany November 30, 1938 just after Kristallnacht?
No I do not. The Jewish population in the Old Reich was around 202,000. The statistics were collected by the Nazis. They had no reason to lie. It was official policy to get as many Jews out of Germany as physically possible.
If so, what documented evidence do you have which, can prove your theory?
Again, I have written on this subject. In summary, there were not 200,000 converted Jews in the Greater German Reich at the end of November 1938. The total Jewish population, based on Nazi statistics in the 1939 census, came to 259,000. It is beyond the realms of any realistic assertion to suggest that 200,000 of these Jews were converts. Read my post.
http://paulonpius.blogspot.com/2010/07/population-figures-on-non-aryan.htmlBy the way, anyone who accesses our website will only see actual documents and eyewitness testimonies. They are free to draw their own conclusions. The mainstream historians books you believe this person should read, seemingly to be from those who only condemn Pope Pius XII.
"Condemn" is far too harsh a word and unfair. Mainstream historians do what Michael Hesemann does not. They examine the evidence and attempt to reconstruct the historical record without a predetermined agenda. The crusade to canonise Pius XII is sinking rather badly when claims such as those promoted by Hesemann are published as historical fact.
Let me recommend Prof. Ron Rychlak’s recently updated book Hitler the War and The Pope.
I read the earlier edition and was unconvinced by his arguments. Any endeavour that begins with a presumption or conclusion runs the risk of prejudicing any line of argument from the outset. Reproducing copious amount of newspaper reports and published documentation with no serious contextual work is not satisfying.
Gary, I admire your commitment to seeking resolution for many of the world's trouble spots, but I ask, yet again, to allow historians to get on with what they do. Having read Michael Hesemann's "claims" I believe he is doing your organisation damage and eroding your credibility.
Regards,
Paul
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