tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-950604783198695289.comments2022-11-30T11:15:50.549+11:00Paul on PiusUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger82125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-950604783198695289.post-10801098610407099122017-09-17T02:54:00.906+10:002017-09-17T02:54:00.906+10:00Hi Paul,
Looking at your page while I prep a cla...Hi Paul, <br /><br />Looking at your page while I prep a class on the second world war and looking up the Generalplan Ost, its a useful resource but the graphic with the European flag containing a swastika is quite offensive. Especially if one looks at the origins of the European Union out of the calamity of that war. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01867527257095940146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-950604783198695289.post-44807510835689287702016-11-27T07:04:01.539+11:002016-11-27T07:04:01.539+11:00First of all, thank you so much for having this bl...First of all, thank you so much for having this blog and posting this particular essay. I wonder if you might be able to point me in the right direction? I've been trying to find Bishop Jovans book (in English ☺️) and haven't been able to find a copy anywhere I've looked online... do you know of anywhere? <br />Thank you so very much! Wishing you the best! <br />Pia Crook at me dot com (piacrook) Pia @HiddenCharm.nethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06891549214250262167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-950604783198695289.post-3754789484297008482016-05-21T02:27:12.816+10:002016-05-21T02:27:12.816+10:00I was very interested to get this glimpse into the...I was very interested to get this glimpse into the life of Heinz Wisla, my newly discovered 6th cousin. I hope some new information comes to light to shed light on the accuracy or inaccuracy of Heinz' chronicle.Stephen Falkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283089480244394876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-950604783198695289.post-41784007633810120082016-02-19T04:21:29.309+11:002016-02-19T04:21:29.309+11:00Warfare is a fascinating subject. Despite the dubi...Warfare is a fascinating subject. Despite the dubious morality of using violence to achieve personal or political aims. It remains that conflict has been used to do just that throughout recorded history.<br /><br />Your article is very well done, a good read.Geraldhttp://www.greatmilitarybattles.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-950604783198695289.post-70847463833034809142016-01-15T08:29:38.671+11:002016-01-15T08:29:38.671+11:00An eye-witness, Harold Tittmann, wrote that it was...An eye-witness, Harold Tittmann, wrote that it was a lone, single-engine plane. The photo above is of a 3-engine plane and is therefore incorrect.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07029899301732765968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-950604783198695289.post-55737688308944617402015-12-06T02:36:38.467+11:002015-12-06T02:36:38.467+11:00"Pius XII a gift for the 20th Century " ..."Pius XII a gift for the 20th Century " - Benedict XVI<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yht_Wd3J73U<br />Francinephilomènehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02263259029696860905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-950604783198695289.post-35747747387633668142015-11-08T07:36:13.970+11:002015-11-08T07:36:13.970+11:00Tuka was no pharisee as it has been written by msg...Tuka was no pharisee as it has been written by msgr.Burzio, he just told and did what he found well. It was said to him by Nazis he must solve the Jewish Question in way they want otherwise the Slovakia will suffer. Tuka had no proof of what was hapening with Jews. Once he had it (from bishop Vojtassak), the deportations -in spite of big danger from Nazis-- were stopped. In SLovak language is nice written about Tuka in newspaper KulturaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-950604783198695289.post-61306321140680452302015-02-06T22:03:00.006+11:002015-02-06T22:03:00.006+11:00Did you receive the following message ?
To Paul O’...Did you receive the following message ?<br />To Paul O’Shea (05.02.15)<br />Very useful Blog. I just discover it, as I discover your say about the inflated and apologetic literature which is growing on Pius XII matters (especially G. Krupp). <br />I wrote myself a lot of pieces about the question, but - sorry - in French, since it is my mother tongue.<br />I'm very much interested to enter in a constructive dialogue with you on the subject. <br />Here is a place where you can read some of my articles (but again, sorry, mainly in French language): https://independent.academia.edu/MenahemMacina <br />I would be honoured to have an answer from you (maheqra@gmail.com). <br />Yours faithfully.<br />M. R. Macina<br />---------------------<br />Update 06.02.15 <br />I intend to translate in French some of your posts in order to make your research known to a French speaking audience. It would help if you chose yourself the texts. <br />I notice that there is no post on your Blog since the end of 2014. Is there any problem ?<br />I have some questions about the project whom I alluded to avove. Il would help me if I could get your mailing address, or a virtual place where we could exchange directly and shortly.<br />Yours<br />M. R. Macina<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10839085810994122356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-950604783198695289.post-5479945237903249232014-12-29T04:33:14.490+11:002014-12-29T04:33:14.490+11:00No, It was Karol Kmeťko (1875-1948), bishop of Nit...No, It was Karol Kmeťko (1875-1948), bishop of Nitra 1920-1948, no Kmelko.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-950604783198695289.post-13276908116024081532014-10-15T02:37:23.512+11:002014-10-15T02:37:23.512+11:00P. Gorenflos:
It is scandalous enough that the Vat...P. Gorenflos:<br />It is scandalous enough that the Vatican’s secret archives were opened only in 2003 for the period 1922 to 1939. Everyone who wants to know how right Deschner was without having had the opportunity to inspect this poison cabinet – the Curia had more than half a century time to dispose the worst toxic waste - should read David Kertzers book "The Popes against the Jews" but especially his new masterpiece "The Pope and Mussolini", a historian who fortunately had this chance. <br />But I still would like to say something about the church tax in Germany my second, oh-so-ignorant „error“: The special significance of the Hitler concordat for the German church tax lies, apart from what is in practice the very considerable facilitation of its collection by the previously much less cooperative "secular arm", in the fact that it prevents a German decision at the highest level – by any appropriate parliamentary majority, let alone referendum. For it is - with the determined help of the anticommunist occupying governments, of course – the only "international" treaty of the Third Reich that has wondrously survived it. (To discover how and by what convoluted and sinister methods it is best to read Max Roth's meritorious examination [KB 135, Ahriman Publishing House]; it is instructive and can be found hardly anywhere else.) Because although there was most definitely a church tax in some form or other in Germany before Hitler – which ultimately leads back to the absolutism of German Protestant princes – it was the Hitler concordat that effectively gave the Vatican a right of veto against its abolition on the basis of German state sovereignty. (This is similar in Austria, only that it was Hitler's direct predecessor Dollfuss, who had a similar mentality and similar tendencies, who was responsible there.) This is of considerable practical significance if a progressive people's movement can exert pressure on important parliamentary parties to abolish church tax (or similar privileges that are Catholic because of the Vatican state), a situation that actually did "threaten" to take place once during the "better times" (as K. Steinbach calls them) and at least led to the decidedly praiseworthy FDP [German Free Democratic Party] paper "Freie Kirche in einem freien Staat" ["A Free Church in a Free State"]. Although this attempt was quickly put down by the rest of the party cartel without them having to resort to the Hitler concordat, which is only considered a last resort on account of the ominousness of its German signatory, if there is a more forceful initiative against the church tax then it can certainly act as an excellent brake to and protective shield against the assimilation of German conditions to the (in this regard) better French ones. (The Germans, under their “state saint” Brandt, have been able to experience very memorably how an analogous hide-and-seek game of unwilling but hypocritical governments against the pressure of masses that were temporarily striving for humanity and enlightenment with the example of Paragraph 218 [abortion law].) So the Hitler concordat is to be taken very seriously as an obstacle to abolishing the church tax and several other coarse church privileges; it can always play the part analogously to that of the Karlsruhe rabbit, which an unwilling but also dishonest government conjures up out of its top hat against resurgent anti-mediaeval or otherwise humanist forces. The question is simply whether the Vatican today could still afford to dodge the clearly expressed demand of a German government for the annulment of the Hitler concordat, which is amazingly never called that by our press, with the existing mantra “pacta sunt servanda”; but then does any German government want that?!? And do its transatlantic guardians want that? <br />As you can see, it has taken a while – but O’Shea has left me no other choice than to draw out and explain my sensible abbreviations. But now this case should be settled.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-950604783198695289.post-34708160388106526982014-10-06T17:25:24.069+11:002014-10-06T17:25:24.069+11:00Given that the substance of my review of The Pope ...Given that the substance of my review of The Pope and The Fascists lay in an analysis of the writing of Karl Heinz Deschner, the comments about the use of the term "state Church", while interesting to a point, are largely irrelevant in the context of the review. I am curious that Mr Gorenflos has not commented on any of my comments on the text he has so enthusiastically endorsed.Paul O'Sheahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04172241722980912831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-950604783198695289.post-68019073441364216912014-10-03T18:40:47.868+10:002014-10-03T18:40:47.868+10:00Mr. O’Shea critizes me, that I have used the expre...Mr. O’Shea critizes me, that I have used the expression “State Church” in connection with Germany, which would be a basic error. <br />Indeed I have, and everyone is free to read that I have. But this was by no means due to ignorance, as O’Shea was too hasty to accuse me of, but because I wished to spare the readers of a foreword the intricacies that form the precise legal facts behind these two abbreviations that nonetheless illustrate German reality very well. Now, however, I have no choice but to do so; any reader of any race or either gender will notice immediately why I wanted to save them and myself this inconvenience.<br />A German state church in the strictest sense of the word is indeed a nonsense; it would have torn apart the bi-confessional state that had been founded with such effort - and such delay. But in the preceding feudal states, out of which Bismarck was finally able to forge the German Reich to rival the potent national states of England and France, there were a great number of very real state churches, namely Lutheran ones, headed mostly by the respective heir princes (analogously to the current Queens of England and the Netherlands and until recently all their Scandinavian colleagues as well). These state churches then became Land churches; consider the position of the (Protestant) church of Prussia, which comprised roughly half(!) of Germany and accordingly had the greatest say and whose bishop was also the King of Prussia and thereby also the German Kaiser, which included Wilhelm II. (The last published satire by Oskar Panizza is based on this formal fact.)<br />In order not to endanger national unity, which had been achieved with such great effort, the virtual (but not necessarily legal) Catholic counterparts also received guarantees of the same privileged treatment, and this is also, as I will permit myself to state in advance now, what the Hitler concordat prescribes, only this time starting with the Catholic churches in favour of the big Protestant churches, the heirs to the princely churches. (A mere three decades after the fall of Hitler, the two Jewish confessions were also integrated into this privileged cartel; it was necessary to wait to see the extent to which they could be bribed). But of course some of the small Protestant churches ["Free Churches"] did not have to wait so long; by way of contrast, the Jehovah's Witnesses, who had been the only noteworthy religious community to have been seriously persecuted during the Third Reich and had a very similar low rate of survival within the borders of the German Reich as the Jews within these borders in the time period after 1933, because they had behaved in the same way regarding Hitler's wars of aggression as Deschner had demanded of the de facto, if not de jure state churches, which found themselves in a much better starting position, on the basis of their identical gospels, were excluded almost until yesterday. Other bodies that were excluded from this privileged cartel included, and still include, Germany's Orthodox churches, the Mormons and, of course, with the exception of one small sect, all Muslims.) So much for my admonished expression "state church"; there is a great deal more that could be added, from Adenauer's still-valid and monstrously expensive "subsidiarity law", which only applies, of course, to the privileged quasi-state church cartel, to the much older and annual "compensation payments" to what are of necessity very state-church-like recipients for the Napoleonic (!) dissolution of the clerical principalities.<br />Peter Gorenflos, Berlin 2014<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-950604783198695289.post-46881176740601864022014-09-13T02:57:01.412+10:002014-09-13T02:57:01.412+10:00I'm racking my brain, but I can't think of...I'm racking my brain, but I can't think of a plausible scenario in which this priest was misquoted. Either he said these things or he didn't. The fact that he felt comfortable saying them in public is what is very telling to me- violent anti-semitism is growing in Europe again. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01025602470301425162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-950604783198695289.post-65553208103059883782014-09-11T17:16:43.426+10:002014-09-11T17:16:43.426+10:00Usually I do not post anonymous comments, but in t...Usually I do not post anonymous comments, but in this case I will. If you have the full sermon / speech would you send it to me. If indeed Fr Floris has been misquoted I will be only too happy to publish the complete text on this blog.Paul O'Sheahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04172241722980912831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-950604783198695289.post-11816540512431576142014-09-10T21:12:51.700+10:002014-09-10T21:12:51.700+10:00I took a part on this ceremony and I can honestly ...I took a part on this ceremony and I can honestly say, that words from his speech have nothing common with hatespeech against Jews. He just wanted to explain relations between Jews and common Slovaks in 1939-1945. Media misuse this speech like a tool of antichristian propaganda. Quotes were choosed very wisely. Mostly.... out of any context.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-950604783198695289.post-24021935061846648692014-07-13T07:11:12.581+10:002014-07-13T07:11:12.581+10:00My prior comment did not seem to appear, likely be...My prior comment did not seem to appear, likely because of a clicking error; please delete it if it does appear, as I have not had a chance to review it. My question to Dr. O'Shea is as follows. Church history being long, complex, & intertwined with that of Europe, why can not those exploring it do so with a blithe spirit, as opposed to severe moral judgment? When reading about the military history of the WWII, antagonism is simply not so great, even though the actual damage done to human lives by virtue of bullets, bombs, & the like was vastly greater than anything the Catholic Church, lacking any troops but those funny guys in the Swiss outfits, could have done. For me Pope Pius XII, assuredly a figure of virtually no importance as respects the Battle of the Bulge, did the best he could, given that he was fully subject to the nasty prejudices of his time & society. Few find disagreeable SAECULO EXEUNTE OCTAVO, even though it celebrates what all now recognize to have been a rather nasty empire, one responsible, as were others Catholic & Muslim, for racist slave trade. The ability of the Church to effect government acts was, obviously, far greater with King John. In any case, the end result was Nostre Aetate, the most fabulous civil rights document for Jews in over one thousand years. Mitchellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03901979111789739035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-950604783198695289.post-51766994900765898722013-08-08T08:35:53.642+10:002013-08-08T08:35:53.642+10:00The absent evidence which Foa decries has until th...The absent evidence which Foa decries has until this point been used for hagiographic purposes, as she herself admits. Thus the default position is, and evidently Foa would like it to remain, that Palatucci was a Schindler figure; certainly those zealots who have erected the sainthood default position wish this & welcome Foa's support. Now that the weight of real evidence is against this, it would be more honest to take him down from the pedestal on which he was hagiographically placed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-950604783198695289.post-87700119279807627702013-04-25T08:03:24.530+10:002013-04-25T08:03:24.530+10:00Dear mr o'Shea,
Please can you tell me if it&...Dear mr o'Shea,<br /><br />Please can you tell me if it's true that The Vatican issued a letter on 20 november 1946 that Jewish children hiding with catholic families in France should not be returned to their surviving parents, or is this a hoax? Pius-detractors use it to support their claim that Pius XII was indifferent to the fate of the Jews.<br /><br />Thanks!<br />edaalen@bart.nl<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-950604783198695289.post-19007195777743434642013-04-07T05:28:43.384+10:002013-04-07T05:28:43.384+10:00Cardinal August Hlond was complicit in the genocid...Cardinal August Hlond was complicit in the genocidal expulsion of the native population of Silesia, East Prussia and the other territories which Poland occupied, especially with Stalin's help, with the end of World War II.<br />Cardinal Hlond neglected the papal rescript (Pope Pius XII.) in forcing the German diocesan clergy to resign so that he was able to install Polish substitutes. Thus the Catholic Curch in Poland helped deliberately to create accomplished facts (fait accompli).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-950604783198695289.post-43367556798756552292013-03-22T01:27:50.239+11:002013-03-22T01:27:50.239+11:00All serious students of this complex subject are i...All serious students of this complex subject are indebted to the work here in publicizing and commenting constructively on the under-utilized ADSS documentation. <br /><br />While reiterating constantly the legitimate call to hasten access to the full range of the Vatican's wartime archives, we should not forget that important, even decisive insights are to be gained from a close, critical reading of this rich, albeit incomplete, documentation. <br /> Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05916971797676528483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-950604783198695289.post-8125354135442476732012-12-15T08:02:08.662+11:002012-12-15T08:02:08.662+11:00Many thanks to several readers who have sent me in...Many thanks to several readers who have sent me information about the Sorbonne Conference. I am on vacation for the next month and will not be posting regularly, but as soon as I get the information on the Sorbonne event sorted I will post. Paul O'Sheahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04172241722980912831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-950604783198695289.post-37906474485817148602012-09-29T14:13:53.777+10:002012-09-29T14:13:53.777+10:00Dear Mevashir,
Thank you for pointing out the bro...Dear Mevashir,<br /><br />Thank you for pointing out the broken link. I have replaced it.Paul O'Sheahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04172241722980912831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-950604783198695289.post-88525442267822019282012-09-23T06:00:08.075+10:002012-09-23T06:00:08.075+10:00your "earlier post" link above is broken...your "earlier post" link above is broken!<br /><br />"In my earlier post on Wolf's book - Pope and Devil - I made mention of the review that spent most of the time analysing Bishop von Galen of Munster."Mevashirhttp://www.youtube.com/user/sofangelism/videos?flow=grid&view=1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-950604783198695289.post-42456453097777246352012-08-21T11:43:58.747+10:002012-08-21T11:43:58.747+10:00Paul,
I think part of the problem is that Prof. K...Paul,<br /><br />I think part of the problem is that Prof. Kertzer has relatively little to say about Pius XII. He also concedes in his book that the papacy of Pius XI was more tolerant of Jews than those of his predecessors.<br /><br />I think the essential point to take away from Kertzer's book is that throughout the 19th century and into the early 20th century the Vatican fomented, directly and indirectly, extreme antipathy and animosity to Jews and Judaism that ended up burning into an uncontrollable fire in the Nazi annihilation campaign. <br /><br />The Vatican may not have intended for their venom to spill over into official murder, but it should suprise no one that it did.<br /><br />I think we could say that the Vatican reaped a bitter Nazi harvest of the anti-Semitic seeds it sowed so voluminously throughout the period from 1815 - 1940.<br /><br />I do not think we should allow the discussion to get sidetracked about the philo-Semitic efforts of Pius XII. I think that is almost irrelevant. I think there is ample proof that he did much to aid Jews during the War. <br /><br />However the salient point is that the steady onslaught of Catholic vitriole against Jews laid the groundwork for the horrors perpetrated by the Nazis. This is the point that must be acknowledged. <br /><br />A related question is whether the reforms of Vatican II constitute sufficient atonement for the Vatican endorsed campaign of Jew-baiting and vilification. This perhaps gets to the crux of the matter.<br /><br />I would be interested to know, for example, what additional changes Prof. Kertzer would like to see the Vatican implement in light of their sordid history of fomenting anti-Semitism in the pre War period.Mevashirnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-950604783198695289.post-66265433110653910972012-07-23T22:28:41.761+10:002012-07-23T22:28:41.761+10:00I am not quite sure what you mean. What is it tha...I am not quite sure what you mean. What is it that "the Australians" are supposed to have done? As to an ongoing "genocide" you will have to be more specific. The Commonwealth Government has made significant steps towards recognising the genocidal actions of previous governments and attempted to implement, with considerable Indigenous initiative and help, processes that will help heal old wounds and allow the country to move forward. No process is perfect, but gestures such as the formal apology to the Stolen Generations are good starts.Paul O'Sheahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04172241722980912831noreply@blogger.com