tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-950604783198695289.post6012280858756414048..comments2022-11-30T11:15:50.549+11:00Comments on Paul on Pius: New Light on Pius XII Cause? Not from this article ...Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-950604783198695289.post-91924571993006679032012-07-22T21:53:32.662+10:002012-07-22T21:53:32.662+10:00Dear Dr Gajewski,
I have added a CV page to the...Dear Dr Gajewski, <br /><br />I have added a CV page to the blog and listed my academic qualifications there. <br /><br />My opinions are, I hope, based on historical fact and the available record. One of the reasons I began this blog was to try and bring discussion about Pope Pius XII back to the middle ground away from the extremes of both sides, those who believe that he is a saint and should be recognised as one of the Righteous, and those who believe he is guilty of complicity in the genocide of European Jewry.Paul O'Sheahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04172241722980912831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-950604783198695289.post-43769867110622387982012-07-22T14:03:32.321+10:002012-07-22T14:03:32.321+10:00You offer your opinions without telling us who you...You offer your opinions without telling us who you are.Ferdinand gajewski PhDhttp://www.freewebs.com/fjgajewski/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-950604783198695289.post-84372817603341886702012-07-19T12:13:11.227+10:002012-07-19T12:13:11.227+10:00I don't think Pope Pius XII should be canonize...I don't think Pope Pius XII should be canonized until his papacy has been thoroughly analyzed. Being declared a VENERABLE is not the same as being declared a Saint. He WAS venerable in many ways. He was a brilliant scripture scholar, a brilliant biblicist, a brilliant analyst of Catholic doctrinal history and coherence vis-a-vis scriptural and patristic (preNicene) evidence, and a brilliant, deeply devoted defender of the divinely-given perogatives of Mary the Mother of Christ. He was gentle and a man of prayer. Personally, he hated Nazi-ism and regarded it, and had called it such in the past, a "pagan Race and Blood Cult," intending that disparagingly. But an actual SAINT? Venerable is ONE level of Goodness. SAINTHOOD is much higher. Even a "blessed" is not a Saint yet. A person is canonized a SAINAT after it is demonstrated that, under his circumstances, he (or she) lived an orthodox life OF **HEROIC** Sanctity and Virtue and wisdom.<br />Pius was a theologian propelled into position of a head of STATE (as well as of a church) during a time of very great EVIL. He was clearly not prepared to deal effectively with this evil, as some of the evildoers were CATHOLIC churchmen (such as Monsignor Tiso, the Pro-Nazi leader of Slovakia whose nation was the first to deport nonGerman Jews to the Camps. Tiso was hanged by the allies after the war. In Yugoslavia, the USTASHI monsters played on people's Catholicism, as well as their hundreds years long mutual Serbian/Croat animosity and had even priests and nuns supporting their horrific massacres of the Eastern Orthodox Serbians, to the tune, some say, of 1,000,000 people. These USTASHI were 100% -- all of them to a man -- at least NOMINALLY Catholic. I am Catholic and horrified by these facts (even though my faith is not altered or weakened at all).<br />The Holy See's rush to beatify CARDINAL STEPINAC without carefully explaining all it's reasons for doing so, was very unwise. Yes, Stepinac had, before their taking power, condemned the Ustashi philosophy publicly, from the Pulpit. But afterwards, with their knife, he knew, always at his throat if he publicly opposed them, Stepinac tried controversial ways of trying to stave off the massacres, instead of out and out publicly excommunicating ANYONE who would not renounce allegiance to the movement. Doing so would have cost him his life, but he was an Archbishop, and one is supposed to, in such a job, be willing to suffer martyrdom. I don't condemn the man, Stepinac, because he knew that a public condemnation of the Ustashi would have also resulted in the killings of thousands of Croat priests, nuns and laity, which he did not want to be responsible for, either. He was TRULY between a rock and a hard place. But he rushed beatification was, I truly feel, unwise. As would be the rushed canonization of Pius XII. We must and should TAKE IT VERY SLOW and examine, carefully, all the facts and all their contexts.<br />And I am an orthodox Catholic, 100% pro Pope Benedict XVI and the Magisterium myself.Donald.52noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-950604783198695289.post-3595777636730731302011-05-19T11:14:49.127+10:002011-05-19T11:14:49.127+10:00Hi Paul,
This is not a comment on this particular ...Hi Paul,<br />This is not a comment on this particular post. I don't have your email address, so this is the only way I could think of communicating with you. Just wanted to alert you to some interesting news via David Schutz. Here it is:<br />British, US Document Unearthed<br />ROME, MAY 17, 2011 (Zenit.org).- The United States and Great Britain discouraged Pope Pius XII from speaking out against Nazi brutality, warning the Pope that a public protest could have grave consequences.<br />The Allies' recommendation is reported in a document unearthed recently by the New York-based Pave the Way Foundation, founded by an American Jew, Gary Krupp. <br /><br />Krupp asserted that these revelations help to give context for the way in which Pius XII handled the Nazi horror.<br /><br />The document is correspondence between the British representative to the Holy See, Sir D'Arcy Osborne, and Myron Taylor, his U.S. counterpart.<br /><br />A Nov. 7, 1944, note signed by Taylor's assistant, Franklin C. Gowen, reports to Taylor that Osborne "called and said that he feared the Holy Father may make Radio appeal on behalf of Jews in Hungary and that in his appeal he may also criticise what the Russians are doing in occupied territory."<br /><br />"Sir D'Arcy said something should be done to prevail upon the Pope not to do this," the note added, "as it would have very serious political repercussions."<br /><br />Krupp showed ZENIT another note between the envoys' offices that references a letter about help for Jewish refugees. The note "clearly states that the letter must be destroyed in order to prevent it from falling into enemy hands," Krupp said.<br /><br />Osborne wrote the May 20, 1944, note to Harold Tittman, another of Taylor's assistants.<br /><br />The British representative tells the U.S. envoy's assistant that he will destroy the letter, saying that if it were to fall into enemy hands it would incriminate a priest called Father Benedetto.<br /><br />Krupp observed that the destruction of documents was necessarily common during the war. "There are some critics who do not seem to understand that this is why so many written orders also had to be destroyed," Krupp noted.<br /><br />News<br />There's more ...<br />Send me your email address, Paul, and I'll post you the rest.<br />----------------------------------------<br /><br />Comment posted by Charles Fivaz (charles.fivaz@gmail.com)Charles Fivazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10221709326305774231noreply@blogger.com